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Title: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 06, 2015, 08:11:35 AM
Been trying to accomplish this for 2 days and just found out why... M$ has tightened Win so much it makes it nearly impossible to dual-boot with linux...nearly. I've found out that it's the "Secure Boot" feature that does this. But here's how to get by it:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 06, 2015, 08:39:18 AM
Here's an easier method that uses EasyBCD (http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/) which I have used before when using Vista. It's a good bootloader!

http://apcmag.com/how-to-dual-boot-windows-8-and-linux.htm/

It seems that most search results give you Ubuntu as the best choice. However, Here's how to do it with Linux Mint 17 which I do like as well.

http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2014/06/11/how-to-dual-boot-linux-mint-17-and-windows-8-on-a-pc-with-uefi-firmware/
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Ken. on April 06, 2015, 04:07:12 PM
I haven't messed with Linux much these past 2-3 years, but at one time I got into it pretty deeply. Of all the versions available, Ubuntu is my fav because of it's ease of install and use.
Using a 'Live CD/DVD' with Knoppix has saved my ass a couple of times when trying to recover data from a HDD.  :cool2:
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 07, 2015, 08:05:28 AM
I really liked Knoppix when I tried it a few years ago but haven't tried it since. Having problems getting Suse to work. Maybe I'll try Ubuntu since everyone seems to think it works best for dual-booting.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 07, 2015, 09:02:32 AM
I'm with Ken, I like Ubuntu, better that any of them. I used to write How tos on Unbuntu.

And I still check every year or so. It has so much to offer to those not addicted to Windows like me and all the windows Software I use, there is  application that's call WINE that lets you run certain window software on it. I think may just load up up again, just to refresh my ting bean and put ion my other machine with win 7 on the flip side :)

this Linux version Ubuntu is very good for students, because you can all sort of education packages fro kindred to Rocket science free!

I use Suse many themes and did do it for me :)
they have so many flavors of the SOS it's just a matter looks and feel and may of them crash to easy!

Just a note that the lunix even Ubuntu .... It probably will not have drivers for you Video cared and the board chips sets either and these are things may crash the O)S if you change them. ( for an FYI to the Guest here)

But if you can afford to pay or use Windows OS it's the best in my book  or if you just want learn ... it great stuff!!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 07, 2015, 09:48:18 AM
Yes, you can use WINE or Crossover to help run windows programs and games in linux. You can also run most games in Steam on linux.

Edubuntu is the educational version of Ubuntu. Personally, I liked Ubuntu Studio which is designed for musicians, songwriters, etc.

When I first tried linux (many years ago) Suse was the only distro I could get to work with my hardware. So, yes, that is one of the pitfalls of linux but most of the hardware does work except maybe something pretty new.

I used to be gun-ho about Windows long ago when I was a beta tester for many of the programs they have now. But not so much anymore. It is the easiest to use but can also be the most problematic. LOL
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Ken. on April 07, 2015, 09:57:04 AM
I did the beta testing thing with windows for a while as well... once, back when XP was in beta microsoft sent me a beta release that was on maybe 16-18 cd's and included office xp as well. It were fun.  :cool2:

And speaking of big sets, Suse sent me a release that was on 3-4 cd's... i liked suse, but always ended up with ububtu.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 07, 2015, 10:01:11 AM
I think the first time I bought Suse it was on several cd's. I know I still have it around somewhere...

I was testing Office before there was an office. When they were all just separate programs. LOL Still got the test versions...when Frontpage was free. LOL

Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 07, 2015, 12:08:33 PM
I first used Suse back in 1995 I think.

I did Beta testing for windows 7 , 8 and now 10. and I' used Frontpage every version they released for sale from 1997 till they ended it and started with the Expressions and the one before that. for me at that point, Frontpage was the tops for doing Company and Corp. websites. I made managing many sites very nice. I still have all the old software around.

But on the FrontPage site they where all done manually, coded by me to fit each customer, So I would  for each make a template, and then just dup it for all need pages except the body of same page had to the special( Content) but once you did the custom header and footer and side panels (save as what ever the product name or subject was) then go from the.. I don't believe I read to many instructions mostly trial and error, for me, is the best way to learn by doing and screwing up!

This new Key board I got is awesome, must window function, hit a key is open, the touch on the side is real cool and is only half the size of the others 12 month Battery life.

I'll break it down later but real nice!
If only I could see good!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 08, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
Just downloaded Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and will try to install it tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 08, 2015, 10:23:17 AM
I'm down loading it now ask we speak, will do same went I find a blank cd!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 08, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
My new DVD burner does not seem to be burning properly...might be the old DVD's I have. LOL

I'll get a new set this weekend and see what happens...
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 08, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
See if can find a free  copy of Nero, and you may also look up the manufacturer;s site for the Drivers.

Regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 08, 2015, 11:12:28 AM
Says hardware issue. Tried Nero and 2 other iso burner software but no luck...
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Ken. on April 08, 2015, 05:32:36 PM
All this talk about Linux... Steve, you've got me in the mood to try Ubuntu again.  :happy:
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Chen Zhen on April 08, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
Skhilled,

I'm not sure I understand the exact set up you are attempting to accomplish.
You want to have it dual boot two OS's (Ubuntu & Windows)?
ref. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot

I have done this before, you just need to adjust the boot menu to allow that.
Just thought I'd mention that if you had Windows 7 or 8 on your older computer and you wanted to install it on the new one it is possible using the same Windows key code as long as you only use it on 1 computer. However it involves getting a raw copy of Windows & the necessary drivers for your motherboard & hardware.  Then it takes a few days for it to update, roboot, update, reboot, etc. to have it current. The last time I did this I had to key in the Microsoft code twice (once during install and once after updating) but it worked like a charm.
Just remember, the Windows key code entitles you to use that single version copy of Windows on 1 computer. As long as it is only installed on 1 computer then it should be flagged as legitimate.

As for your dvd drive not working properly, perhaps you have an incorrect driver or an out of date one for the specific device.
I will send you a PM regarding burning software.

Regards.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 08, 2015, 06:47:31 PM
@ Ken and Doc, Gonna install on my other PC 32bit, because drivers are hard to find on the 64 bit, I have it burnt to the CD, gonna do a full install on partition, of that HDD.

Gonna do it in the morning.

Steve I hope you better luck with the DVD, I burnt my on the Win system tool, I first did a quick format for the, But I unzipped to a folder, then used the windows burn to CD or burn CD, worked great!

But I'll will start from windows so I can check out before install!

regards,
Maxx

Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Ken. on April 09, 2015, 08:25:01 AM
News Flash!!!  :hah:


Well... not really.
I subscribe to the Windows Secrets (http://windowssecrets.com/) newsletter and as it happens the lead article in today's edition is about Linux on a Windows PC. 

An introduction to Linux for Windows users (http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/an-introduction-to-linux-for-windows-users/)

Here is their article on Ubuntu:
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/linux-for-windows-users-installing-ubuntu/
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 09, 2015, 08:43:53 AM
Ken thanks for info, I'm gonna try to install along side windows the Ubuntu... get some sort error on win 7 and 8.1, permission, try installing demo vis open as admin also!

I'm gonna visit the link you provided, maybe says why! :)
I follow the Ubuntu instructions

Regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 09, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
@Underdog - You may be right about the drivers because from what I've been reading when I bought it you just needed Windows drivers. But today I did a more thorough search and found out that although it says "Samsung" it is actually a "TSST". That is a brand which is a joint venture between Samsung and Toshiba. That is their OEM brand used for PC/laptop installations. It is a tad hard to get the drivers and the only way I've found so far is to use "DriverDownloader.exe" which avast! says is infected... Will have to do more research.

@Ken - LOL! I remember Windows Secrets and used to get their newsletters years ago! I've totally forgotten about them!

@all - I'm on Ubuntu right now! Yesterday I downloaded it and tried to install it but had problems. Last night as I was getting ready for work I saw a DVD from Linux Format Magazine (http://www.linuxformat.com/), which I've been buying regularly for years now even when I'm not using linux, which contained Ubuntu 14.04 LTS! I've downloaded it yesterday for nothing!  :rofl1:

I just loaded it and checked to see if my net was working so I came here. I didn't even get a chance to look around yet. LOL

Anyhow, I installed it with no problems. Then added the partition to EasyBCD and rebooted...it worked!  :happy: But you must disable SecureBoot UEFI first in your BIOS!
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Kris on April 10, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Ubuntu Rocks. Been running a dual boot system for a while now. Have also tried Slackware and Redhat but Ubuntu is great for ease of use. I'd recommend it for anyone.

BTW I am running 14.04 LTS

Cheers,
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 10, 2015, 07:53:24 AM
Haven't used Slackware or Redhat in ages. Been using Ubuntu for years off and on. Had Linux Mint installed last.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 10, 2015, 08:22:22 AM
Yes I agree used most all of them and Ubuntu is best in my book :)

And Kris Knows I've been testing it for a long time now off and on! And we both worked and V bulletin board for few years together.

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 10, 2015, 10:09:22 AM
Got the wireless printer working...wirelessly. :) But got a TON of updates. LOL
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: parez on April 10, 2015, 10:32:51 AM
Huh! You guys make me to miss Ubuntu. Do you know that I can install Ubuntu on macbook pro? Not the virtual machine way...
I managed to install Ubuntu on my mbp early 2011 a few hours ago. I had a few problems, but google saved me. Now I started to develop a website to convert inches in digital measurements (http://www.ninjaunits.com/convert-pixels-inches/). Until now it's working pretty good, I will let you know about my experience after a few days of testing it.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 10, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
Hi parez and welcome to Docskillz! ;D

I have not used a Mac in many years but do remember there used to be a bootloader that allowed you to run multiple OS' at once. But I don't remember the name of it. Give me a sec and I'll look it up...

EDIT: Here's 2 articles that pretty much say the same thing:

http://www.howtogeek.com/187410/how-to-install-and-dual-boot-linux-on-a-mac/

http://lifehacker.com/5934942/how-to-dual-boot-linux-on-your-mac-and-take-back-your-powerhouse-apple-hardware
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2015, 08:38:33 AM
Good Call... on the move..

I would like recommend any one tired of vista, and or with an older model PC or laptop to Go..Ubuntu, if possible. I will run much faster less infections and uses less system resources. It will work much like the windows and some  Win apps like mentioned will run wine.

But please note: read up some before you do it and back all your stuff of importance!
If you have enough HDD space to dual boot until you get use to it, and decide, if it's right for you!

Some just through out the old laptop or PC, when it can be Linux and recycled to someone in the family or yourself.
a backup computer if you will?

I found that the Ubuntu is the most reliable OS of that sort!

regards,
Maxx






Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 11, 2015, 08:46:20 AM
...and you can try a "LiveCD" which allows you to use it without installing it to see if you like it or not. ;)

I will make a post later about the pros and cons of linux and sticky it. I'm no guru but know a bit about it.

Right now I'm making a breakfast burrito with shaved steak (think Philly cheese steak sandwiches), onions, sweet red peppers, and mozzarella cheese in a tortilla.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Zacharia on April 11, 2015, 09:59:24 AM
.... now you got me eating my supper 8 hrs early  8)
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on April 11, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
LOL! For some of my recipes go here:

http://www.braisedbutt.com/cook/portal.php - in "The Kitchen" board...
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on May 01, 2015, 07:58:24 PM
I'm not sure how but Suse is working! I have Win 8.1, Ububtu 14.10 LTS, and openSUSE 13.2 installed on the same PC and showing in the Grub bootloader!   :dancebun:

When I tried it before it didn't work, perhaps it wasn't finished installing or something? Anyhow, I still don't see it in the EasyBCD loader when it loads. I only see Windows and Ubuntu. But if I choose Ubuntu the linux bootloader runs and it shows all 3 OS's. I need to keep playing with EasyBCD to try and get it to show there as well.

I'm in Suse right now!  O0

EDIT: Gmone desktop is nice but KDE on Suse is even better! I might have to switch DE's on Ubuntu to see how it is on there...
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Ken. on May 02, 2015, 04:52:54 AM
Good job!  :cool2:
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on May 02, 2015, 04:58:40 AM
One thing I even like better is that you can login as root. You are no longer allowed to do that with Ubuntu. :(

It may changing settings and permissions a lot easier than trying to remember commands with hundreds of switches.
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2015, 06:08:46 AM
Before I got to feeling Bad I gave it shot, the SUSE and it did some similar, and I gave it a break, and it''s still wait on me to, try it again, that and the Google thing getting all my site rank tested and more ( so you can also use the site Via the phone. So had to do some CSS coding, they not perfect but they getting there, if eyes do give way before :(

I don't care for the menu of the SMF mod so I have by own drop done responsive menu I bee's working with!

Hope you Gents are doing good!@

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on May 02, 2015, 06:14:06 AM
If you don't like the look of the menu then modify it.

Atm, I'm trying to install a LAMP server on Suse. I've got everything installed, I think, now I just need to remember how to run a LAMP! LMAO It's been quite a few years. LOL
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2015, 06:23:07 AM
That's what I'm saying I made my own menu and other custom code!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on May 02, 2015, 06:23:36 AM
Ah! Got it! Sorry... LOL
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2015, 06:36:02 AM
Mine will look like this!

But on some them,e different!

Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on May 02, 2015, 06:41:18 AM
Looks great! :)
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2015, 06:46:50 AM
Thanks Doc,

I'm going way beyond the SMF mod so the complete site can be used, and also some code for thew future!!

Once I get a good frame work done on the PHP stuff!
Then those worried about restarting there site all over for the4 2.1 version can just stay put :)
EDIT
Bad type and eye correction LOL! :) not good getting old

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: Installing Linux on Windows 8
Post by: Skhilled on May 02, 2015, 06:50:15 AM
Now that sounds like a plan! Can't wait to see the finished product. :)